On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Steve Grubb <sgrubb(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, October 10, 2012 03:45:08 PM Mark Moseley wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 4:54 PM, Al Viro <viro(a)zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> > Again, relying on pathnames for forensics (or security in general) is
> > a serious mistake (cue unprintable comments about apparmor and similar
> > varieties of snake oil). And using audit as poor man's ktrace analog
> > is... misguided, to put it very mildly.
>
> Caveat: I'm just a sysadmin, so this stuff is as darn near "magic" as
> I get to see on a regular basis, so it's safe to expect some naivety
> and/or misguidedness on my part :)
>
> I'm just using it as a log of files that have been written/changed on
> moderately- to heavily-used systems. If there's another in-kernel
> mechanism that'd be better suited for that sort of thing (at least
> without adding a lot of overhead), I'd be definitely eager to know
> about it. It's a web hosting environment, with customer files all
> solely on NFS, so writes to the same directory can come from an
> arbitrary number of servers. When they get swamped with write
> requests, the amount of per-client stats exposed by our Netapp and
> Oracle NFS servers is often only enough to point us at a client server
> with an abusive user on it (but not much more, without turning on
> debugging). Having logs of who's doing writes would be quite useful,
> esp when writes aren't happening at that exact moment and wouldn't
> show up in tools like iotop. The audit subsystem seemed like the best
> fit for this kind of thing, but I'm more than open to whatever works.
The audit system is the best fit. But I think Al is saying there are some
limitations. i know that Eric pushed some patches a while back that makes a
stronger effort at collecting some of this information. What kernel are you
using?
Yup, understood. I've been playing with a variety of boxes, but mostly
within the 3.0.x and 3.2.x series. I'll drop 3.5.6 on some of these
boxes and see if my issues are already fixed (and proceed directly to
foot-in-mouth chagrined stage -- usually takes slightly longer to get
to that stage).