Re: Linux audit performance impact

As a guy who administers Irix today I can say the auditing on Irix is extensive, but I'd hesitate to reference it in this context because the satd does NOT give you the option to choose success or failure audits. You get both and it fills your disk fairly quickly. I've had to disable it during periods of high activity because it will halt your system (also not configurable) if it runs out of space. So, maybe it didn't require much in the way of structure, but it left an awful lot to be desire in the implementation.

On 2/20/2015 1:29 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote: > On 2/18/2015 1:49 PM, Paul Moore wrote: >> On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Richard Guy Briggs <rgb(a)redhat.com&gt; >> wrote: >>> On 15/02/17, Viswanath, Logeswari P (MCOU OSTL) wrote: >>>> I agree that changing the formatting of the records could break >>>> the existing applications >>>> that consume them, and I didn't mean changing or eliminating of >>>> the formatting completely. >>>> We agree that formatting is required for logging the records(as >>>> buffers) into the log files. >>>> We are wondering if these records can be made available as RAW >>>> records so that the >>>> analytical programs which are capable of reading them for >>>> processing can perform better. >>> There are tools that completely ignore any of the audit userspace >>> suite >>> including libaudit, so changing the formatting in the kernel and >>> deferring to userspace to later do that formatting is not currently an >>> option. >> It is if you take a versioned API approach where the kernel defaults >> to the current behavior and switches, per-socket/connection, at the >> request of userspace. It's really the only way to have a graceful >> transition with audit. >> >>>> This option of RAW mode for the events can be an additional option >>>> where, kauditd delivers the audit buffer without formatting. Any >>>> comments on this? >>> For a transition period if we were to consider it, it would mean >>> rewriting *all* places in the kernel that generate audit messages and >>> provide two paths switched on this RAW mode for each one of them, then >>> copying all that duplication to userspace libaudit. >> Your comment is a little vague, so let me mention what I'm currently >> considering: we convert all of the in-kernel audit users away from >> generating strings in the context of the caller, instead having them >> record information in a native/struct/etc. format that would be later >> used by the kernel audit subsystem to generate the audit records (in >> whatever format(s) is(are) requested). This actually has advantages >> beyond the record format work, it moves the issue of record formatting >> (always a problem) out of the caller and into audit itself which >> should hopefully prevent future audit abuses (a netlink attribute >> based record format would likely help further). > > The existing audit system is pretty hard on the security modules, too. > An internal structure that captures the information and formats it later > makes a whole lot of sense provided the information required to do the > formatting is available at that later time. It also allows for > flexibility > in adding new information to audit records. A new security module could > add information it considers "security relevant" that other modules > don't > without mucking up the audit records from existing modules. > > In Irix (The kids on the list can look that up elsewhere :) ) audit > data was gathered as a collection of audit tokens, each of which > contained a chuck of information such as the MLS label, or the DAC > attributes of a process. The tokens were combined to create a complete > record late in the processing. The scheme didn't require much in the > way of structure. > > I've done several audit systems and would be happy to contribute > to a revision of the Linux implementation. > >> >>> According to Linus' decree, it would need to remain that way until we >>> were certain that all tools including ones we don't know about had >>> switched over. >> I would imagine a scenario where we introduced the new format in >> stages: >> >> #1 - Move in-kernel audit record string generation completely into >> kernel/audit*.c. Benefits everyone regardless of the audit format. >> >> #2 - Introduce a versioned audit API. The most difficult step for >> obvious reasons. >> >> #3 - Deprecate the old/existing audit record format, make it a Kconfig >> option that defaults to off and emit a warning when the old formatting >> is used. This will be a year, and most likely more, after step #2. >> >> #4 - Remove the old/existing audit record code. Once again, this >> would happen a couple of years after step #3. >> >> However, nothing is really determined yet, this is just my current >> thinking. >> > > -- > Linux-audit mailing list > Linux-audit(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-audit >